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		By: secretGeek		</title>
		<link>https://programmingzen.com/rubynet-is-dead/#comment-2477</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[secretGeek]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 14:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[interesting that IronRuby incorporates:
&quot;the Ruby.NET parser and scanner&quot;

I&#039;ve never heard J.Lam credit that fact. Maybe, hopefully it&#039;s just that I havent listened closely enough.

I&#039;d definitly like to see competing implementations of Ruby on the .net platform.

It&#039;s a more than worthy exercise for an academic institution. Give those DLR boys a run for their (fat) money!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>interesting that IronRuby incorporates:<br />
&#8220;the Ruby.NET parser and scanner&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never heard J.Lam credit that fact. Maybe, hopefully it&#8217;s just that I havent listened closely enough.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d definitly like to see competing implementations of Ruby on the .net platform.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a more than worthy exercise for an academic institution. Give those DLR boys a run for their (fat) money!</p>
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		By: Jeff Dickey		</title>
		<link>https://programmingzen.com/rubynet-is-dead/#comment-2451</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Dickey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I see Dr. Kelly&#039;s point about the relative viability of the two projects. But even having commented elsewhere that an improved single implementation could, in plausible theory, turn out to be a Good Thing &lt;em&gt;in terms of Ruby adoption on .NET&lt;/em&gt;, rereading his email excerpted here causes me to have some serious second thoughts. He writes,
&lt;blockquote&gt;
I believe that ultimately there is no need for two different implementations of Ruby on .NET
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I can see the desire to have a single &lt;em&gt;reference&lt;/em&gt; implementation. I could even be persuaded that the idea of a single common production-quality implementation has major benefits for reusability and interoperability. But, especially having worked at and with Microsoft using compilers of varying levels of quality and conformance, I think it would be a very good thing to have alternate implementations that can be used as development aids. Much as Borland C++ served as a backup compiler for me for many years while Microsoft was still working on a sensible C++ implementation (and having shipped at least one program using BC++ after publicly stating that we &quot;used Microsoft tools in production&quot; due to language-implementation and RTL defects), I would feel much more comfortable &lt;em&gt;as a Ruby developer on .NET&lt;/em&gt; if K new that I could use another tool to help me diagnose troubles I was having with IronRuby on .NET. Note that I am not saying that I have those troubles today, just as I would have said that my team was by and large happy with Microsoft&#039;s C++ implementation up until two weeks before we shipped on Borland. But having an alternative compiler/interpreter/adjudicator of the language you are using &lt;em&gt;on the platform you are targeting&lt;/em&gt; can and more than once has made the difference between survival and failure for startups and other delicate projects. I would look to someone carrying on, or if necessary forking, Ruby.NET for just that purpose. Maybe it&#039;s not and never plausibly will be &quot;the best&quot; Ruby implementation on .NET; it doesn&#039;t have to be. It&#039;s just there as a crutch for developers, and as something to keep the ongoing IronRuby project &quot;honest&quot;. Performing that role, even if the resulting code was never as fast or small or  as the IronRuby equivalent, would still be a service worthy of lyric and epic praise.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see Dr. Kelly&#8217;s point about the relative viability of the two projects. But even having commented elsewhere that an improved single implementation could, in plausible theory, turn out to be a Good Thing <em>in terms of Ruby adoption on .NET</em>, rereading his email excerpted here causes me to have some serious second thoughts. He writes,</p>
<blockquote><p>
I believe that ultimately there is no need for two different implementations of Ruby on .NET
</p></blockquote>
<p>I can see the desire to have a single <em>reference</em> implementation. I could even be persuaded that the idea of a single common production-quality implementation has major benefits for reusability and interoperability. But, especially having worked at and with Microsoft using compilers of varying levels of quality and conformance, I think it would be a very good thing to have alternate implementations that can be used as development aids. Much as Borland C++ served as a backup compiler for me for many years while Microsoft was still working on a sensible C++ implementation (and having shipped at least one program using BC++ after publicly stating that we &#8220;used Microsoft tools in production&#8221; due to language-implementation and RTL defects), I would feel much more comfortable <em>as a Ruby developer on .NET</em> if K new that I could use another tool to help me diagnose troubles I was having with IronRuby on .NET. Note that I am not saying that I have those troubles today, just as I would have said that my team was by and large happy with Microsoft&#8217;s C++ implementation up until two weeks before we shipped on Borland. But having an alternative compiler/interpreter/adjudicator of the language you are using <em>on the platform you are targeting</em> can and more than once has made the difference between survival and failure for startups and other delicate projects. I would look to someone carrying on, or if necessary forking, Ruby.NET for just that purpose. Maybe it&#8217;s not and never plausibly will be &#8220;the best&#8221; Ruby implementation on .NET; it doesn&#8217;t have to be. It&#8217;s just there as a crutch for developers, and as something to keep the ongoing IronRuby project &#8220;honest&#8221;. Performing that role, even if the resulting code was never as fast or small or  as the IronRuby equivalent, would still be a service worthy of lyric and epic praise.</p>
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		By: Antonio Cangiano		</title>
		<link>https://programmingzen.com/rubynet-is-dead/#comment-2443</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Antonio Cangiano]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Robert, DLR stands for &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Language_Runtime&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dynamic Language Runtime&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, DLR stands for <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Language_Runtime" rel="nofollow">Dynamic Language Runtime</a>.</p>
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		By: Robert Craven		</title>
		<link>https://programmingzen.com/rubynet-is-dead/#comment-2441</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Craven]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What is DLR?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is DLR?</p>
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		By: she		</title>
		<link>https://programmingzen.com/rubynet-is-dead/#comment-2440</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[she]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Anyone knows what Wayne will do next?

PS: I really hope this doesnt hurt Ruby. I use Ruby almost exclusively, so Ruby-on-Net (working, maintained) definitely would definitely be awesome.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone knows what Wayne will do next?</p>
<p>PS: I really hope this doesnt hurt Ruby. I use Ruby almost exclusively, so Ruby-on-Net (working, maintained) definitely would definitely be awesome.</p>
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		By: Tim		</title>
		<link>https://programmingzen.com/rubynet-is-dead/#comment-2437</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 13:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have only just gotten used to Ruby. And now you pronounce it &quot;dead&quot; is just funny and quite ironic. I do hope for a more improved Ruby though, if it&#039;s available.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have only just gotten used to Ruby. And now you pronounce it &#8220;dead&#8221; is just funny and quite ironic. I do hope for a more improved Ruby though, if it&#8217;s available.</p>
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		By: Ruby.NET death brings up the topic again, Microsoft, ALT, OSS, ... - Guru Stop		</title>
		<link>https://programmingzen.com/rubynet-is-dead/#comment-2435</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ruby.NET death brings up the topic again, Microsoft, ALT, OSS, ... - Guru Stop]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 10:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] death brings up the topic again, Microsoft, ALT, OSS, ...    Reading the news that Ruby.NET is dead although doesn&#039;t feel the best thing to hear, is still logical, and more explicitly it&#039;s even [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] death brings up the topic again, Microsoft, ALT, OSS, &#8230;    Reading the news that Ruby.NET is dead although doesn&#8217;t feel the best thing to hear, is still logical, and more explicitly it&#8217;s even [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>
		By: Virtual Surreality &#187; Ruby.NET is dead		</title>
		<link>https://programmingzen.com/rubynet-is-dead/#comment-2434</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Virtual Surreality &#187; Ruby.NET is dead]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 09:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] Antonio Cangiano let everyone else who isn&#8217;t on the list know the disappointing news from earlier this afternoon. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Antonio Cangiano let everyone else who isn&#8217;t on the list know the disappointing news from earlier this afternoon. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>
		By: Wayne Kelly		</title>
		<link>https://programmingzen.com/rubynet-is-dead/#comment-2433</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wayne Kelly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 09:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks Antonio!

Cheers, Wayne]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Antonio!</p>
<p>Cheers, Wayne</p>
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		By: hattoum		</title>
		<link>https://programmingzen.com/rubynet-is-dead/#comment-2432</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hattoum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 08:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[:&#039;(]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>:'(</p>
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