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		By: Babai		</title>
		<link>https://programmingzen.com/dont-alienate-developers/#comment-28047</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 10:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Very disappoint, was hoping for a whole new design MBA like and standard SSD or Flash Drive instead of HDD.  The 15  should have the ExpressCard Slot like the 17  but they still deal with the SD card.  Overall, I don&#039;t think people should upgrade their MacBook Pro yet, just wait for a whole new body design with standard SSD or Flash Drive like the MBA.MacMike1000]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very disappoint, was hoping for a whole new design MBA like and standard SSD or Flash Drive instead of HDD.  The 15  should have the ExpressCard Slot like the 17  but they still deal with the SD card.  Overall, I don&#8217;t think people should upgrade their MacBook Pro yet, just wait for a whole new body design with standard SSD or Flash Drive like the MBA.MacMike1000</p>
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		By: Alan		</title>
		<link>https://programmingzen.com/dont-alienate-developers/#comment-5094</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 06:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I disagree.
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But only because Apple&#039;s anti-developer bias is much more basic, it is embedded (probably with a stake) into the heart od every Apple Developer.
&lt;br/&gt;
Every one of them refuses to see me as a possible partner, an enthusiastic encourager, a source of reviews.
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But the fault lies with the useless brain-dead Apple lusers. How the fuck could any developer tale me seriously when I have have adopted for a platform where &quot;the Apple Way&quot; is what I PREFER ?
&lt;br/&gt;
How long the fuck do I have to wait before this fucking macbook dies and I can go back to the many dirty sources ?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree.<br />
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But only because Apple&#8217;s anti-developer bias is much more basic, it is embedded (probably with a stake) into the heart od every Apple Developer.<br />
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Every one of them refuses to see me as a possible partner, an enthusiastic encourager, a source of reviews.<br />
<br />
But the fault lies with the useless brain-dead Apple lusers. How the fuck could any developer tale me seriously when I have have adopted for a platform where &#8220;the Apple Way&#8221; is what I PREFER ?<br />
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How long the fuck do I have to wait before this fucking macbook dies and I can go back to the many dirty sources ?</p>
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		By: Qualcosa che non mi piace, c&#8217;è &#171; Mighty83&#8217;s blog		</title>
		<link>https://programmingzen.com/dont-alienate-developers/#comment-4999</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Qualcosa che non mi piace, c&#8217;è &#171; Mighty83&#8217;s blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] non è assolutamente vero, per esempio questo non lo sopporto! Non ritengo che sia un comportamento corretto da parte di Apple: questa cosa non [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] non è assolutamente vero, per esempio questo non lo sopporto! Non ritengo che sia un comportamento corretto da parte di Apple: questa cosa non [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Kent		</title>
		<link>https://programmingzen.com/dont-alienate-developers/#comment-4843</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m late for this but I develop for both OSX and Windows and the Windows cost to entry is MUCH higher than the OSX alternative.  You end up spending like $1000 to get the development tools etc purchased and set up before you even get a chance to develop.  I was able to prototype a IPhone application and run it on my macbook free of charge.  The 1 hundred dollars will get you on an actual device and actual on your friends devices.  Once you&#039;ve done both then you can hit the app store......  A hundred dollars is not a lot of money to people in our industry and definitely isn&#039;t a barrier to anyone truely serious about developing for the platform.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m late for this but I develop for both OSX and Windows and the Windows cost to entry is MUCH higher than the OSX alternative.  You end up spending like $1000 to get the development tools etc purchased and set up before you even get a chance to develop.  I was able to prototype a IPhone application and run it on my macbook free of charge.  The 1 hundred dollars will get you on an actual device and actual on your friends devices.  Once you&#8217;ve done both then you can hit the app store&#8230;&#8230;  A hundred dollars is not a lot of money to people in our industry and definitely isn&#8217;t a barrier to anyone truely serious about developing for the platform.</p>
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		By: Scott Ellsworth		</title>
		<link>https://programmingzen.com/dont-alienate-developers/#comment-4341</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott Ellsworth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 21:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Apple has since lifted the NDA.  One might have wanted it to end with the introduction of the 2.0 (or perhaps 2.1) software, but having it open for discussion solves one of the biggest problems.

I suspect, based on other bloggers and my own contacts there, that this likely happened from a combination of fear on the part of underlings and a lack of leadership at higher levels, combined with a rather uncommunicative culture.  For a DTS employee, approving an app that messed with the AT&#038;T contract was likely a career ender, but if there was infighting at the VP level, getting someone higher up to approve a dodgy app is not exactly a career builder either.

They still need to address the approval process.  I do not mind having apps rejected if they do not meet their guidelines, but I very much mind a rejection at the _end_ of the process.  As a developer, I would want to get an approval within a week for a concept mock.

Oh - the $99 fee does not bother me that much, given that I can start development without it.  Others  may disagree.

Scott]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apple has since lifted the NDA.  One might have wanted it to end with the introduction of the 2.0 (or perhaps 2.1) software, but having it open for discussion solves one of the biggest problems.</p>
<p>I suspect, based on other bloggers and my own contacts there, that this likely happened from a combination of fear on the part of underlings and a lack of leadership at higher levels, combined with a rather uncommunicative culture.  For a DTS employee, approving an app that messed with the AT&amp;T contract was likely a career ender, but if there was infighting at the VP level, getting someone higher up to approve a dodgy app is not exactly a career builder either.</p>
<p>They still need to address the approval process.  I do not mind having apps rejected if they do not meet their guidelines, but I very much mind a rejection at the _end_ of the process.  As a developer, I would want to get an approval within a week for a concept mock.</p>
<p>Oh &#8211; the $99 fee does not bother me that much, given that I can start development without it.  Others  may disagree.</p>
<p>Scott</p>
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		By: Dev Blog AF83 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Veille technologique : les progrès de Microsoft, logiciels libres, PHP vs Python, Google maps		</title>
		<link>https://programmingzen.com/dont-alienate-developers/#comment-4336</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dev Blog AF83 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Veille technologique : les progrès de Microsoft, logiciels libres, PHP vs Python, Google maps]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] https://programmingzen.com/2008/09/25/dont-alienate-developers/ : Apple bloque la publication d&#8217;un livre sur le développement d&#8217;applications iphone (bouh, c&#8217;est mal). [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] <a href="https://programmingzen.com/2008/09/25/dont-alienate-developers/" rel="ugc">https://programmingzen.com/2008/09/25/dont-alienate-developers/</a> : Apple bloque la publication d&#8217;un livre sur le développement d&#8217;applications iphone (bouh, c&#8217;est mal). [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: kibbles		</title>
		<link>https://programmingzen.com/dont-alienate-developers/#comment-4335</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kibbles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[re: &quot;I Am Rich&quot; app. 

&quot;If you add in the fact that many people complained about purchasing it by mistake&quot;

this is actually false. only 2 people every claimed this, and they both received refunds from the App Store.
 
this is understandable considering the premise of such a claim is bogus -- that they thought it was $9.99. why bogus? because it was &quot;$999.99&quot;.. thats an entire *two digits* greater a number, and no amount of squinting your eyes can make the decimal look confusing.

no, make no mistake -- apple pulled I Am Rich because they wanted to. possibly (my guess) because they didnt want the platform to seem elitist and show in news articles that way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: &#8220;I Am Rich&#8221; app. </p>
<p>&#8220;If you add in the fact that many people complained about purchasing it by mistake&#8221;</p>
<p>this is actually false. only 2 people every claimed this, and they both received refunds from the App Store.</p>
<p>this is understandable considering the premise of such a claim is bogus &#8212; that they thought it was $9.99. why bogus? because it was &#8220;$999.99&#8221;.. thats an entire *two digits* greater a number, and no amount of squinting your eyes can make the decimal look confusing.</p>
<p>no, make no mistake &#8212; apple pulled I Am Rich because they wanted to. possibly (my guess) because they didnt want the platform to seem elitist and show in news articles that way.</p>
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		By: kibbles		</title>
		<link>https://programmingzen.com/dont-alienate-developers/#comment-4334</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[good post but a couple things... 
 
1) you dont need to pay $99 to satisfy your curiosity and develop for the iphone. the sdk is free and you can tinker to your heart&#039;s content. but you gotta pay when youre ready to distribute. in addition to them setting up a credit processing account for you, you also get 2 engineering supper tickets for that cost.
 
2) NetShare isnt merely &quot;inconvenient&quot; to apple&#039;s partner -- its a blatant violation of the service contract you signed when getting your ipod. why wouldnt they enforce that?
 
..that being said...sure i think at&#038;t should have licensed NetShare and perhaps created a new pricing plan for it. and i think apple&#039;s NDA on the published SDK is completely insane. no books!? no forums!?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good post but a couple things&#8230; </p>
<p>1) you dont need to pay $99 to satisfy your curiosity and develop for the iphone. the sdk is free and you can tinker to your heart&#8217;s content. but you gotta pay when youre ready to distribute. in addition to them setting up a credit processing account for you, you also get 2 engineering supper tickets for that cost.</p>
<p>2) NetShare isnt merely &#8220;inconvenient&#8221; to apple&#8217;s partner &#8212; its a blatant violation of the service contract you signed when getting your ipod. why wouldnt they enforce that?</p>
<p>..that being said&#8230;sure i think at&amp;t should have licensed NetShare and perhaps created a new pricing plan for it. and i think apple&#8217;s NDA on the published SDK is completely insane. no books!? no forums!?</p>
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		By: Gerardo Santana		</title>
		<link>https://programmingzen.com/dont-alienate-developers/#comment-4329</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gerardo Santana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Fair enough.
&lt;br/&gt;
I still disagree with your analysis. There&#039;s nothing personal about it. Please, don&#039;t take it so.
&lt;br/&gt;
It&#039;s just that these anti-Apple posts look exaggerated to me, when it&#039;s obvious that in the IT arena there are major players that behave really badly, in detriment of that technology you care about, and the public interest.
&lt;br/&gt;
Thus, going after Apple just doesn&#039;t find empathy from me, and was unexpected from this blog.
&lt;br/&gt;
Anyways, I take your point Antonio, and will try not to sound bitter the next time ;-)
&lt;br/&gt;
I miss your articles about Ruby.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough.<br />
<br />
I still disagree with your analysis. There&#8217;s nothing personal about it. Please, don&#8217;t take it so.<br />
<br />
It&#8217;s just that these anti-Apple posts look exaggerated to me, when it&#8217;s obvious that in the IT arena there are major players that behave really badly, in detriment of that technology you care about, and the public interest.<br />
<br />
Thus, going after Apple just doesn&#8217;t find empathy from me, and was unexpected from this blog.<br />
<br />
Anyways, I take your point Antonio, and will try not to sound bitter the next time 😉<br />
<br />
I miss your articles about Ruby.</p>
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		By: Antonio Cangiano		</title>
		<link>https://programmingzen.com/dont-alienate-developers/#comment-4328</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Antonio Cangiano]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Time and the market will tell. Right now, there are a lot of of applications available and sold, which means a lot of developers and clients for the iPhone. Rejecting only three of those lots of applications because one is deceiving, the other is idiotic and another advertises itself as &quot;get rid of iTunes&quot;, the very Apple&#039;s distribution platform, is not in anyone&#039;s interest, besides whining bloggers.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;
The iPhone will do just fine, no one is disputing that. But the iPhone will do well, despite these mistakes, not because of them.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;If it were about greed, wouldn&#039;t it make more sense to let that stupid &quot;I am Rich&quot; application to be distributed? After all, Apple is getting a 30% from it. Then, it&#039;s not about greed.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;
That application was hardly an application and that was grounds enough to pull it from the app store. If you add in the fact that many people complained about purchasing it by mistake, you realized that it was more trouble than it was worth. And that&#039;s why, in my opnion, it was pulled.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;No, I don&#039;t think you give a damn about Apple&#039;s business. Don&#039;t pretend to do so.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;
Meh. I care about technology, the IT market, a potentially innovative platform and so on. I&#039;m not an Apple shareholder and I don&#039;t have sympathy or distain for the company. I love some of their products but I&#039;m still free to comment when they make mistakes. This goes for them or any other company.
&lt;br/&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Oh, so you thought that Apple&#039;s investment in creating a platform (the OS, the device, the distribution system, the marketing, the development tools ...) was done especially for you, or any developer, to  exercise your freedom? Wow...&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;br/&gt;
Nope, you completely misunderstood what I said. I said that many developers would opt for an open platform rather than the iPhone, because of Apple&#039;s policy. And this is self-evident if you look at how many people admitted that they are going to develop for Andorid but not for the iPhone, because of this.
&lt;br/&gt;
And let me make this clear to you Gerardo, this has nothing to do with whining. It was an analysis that you may disagree with. But that&#039;s all. There is no reason to veer into the territory of personal attacks and insinuations. In every comment on this blog you come across as hostile. If that&#039;s the kind of communication that you like to have with people, please astain from commenting, because you are the one who comes across as sounding bitter and like you have a hidden agenda.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Time and the market will tell. Right now, there are a lot of of applications available and sold, which means a lot of developers and clients for the iPhone. Rejecting only three of those lots of applications because one is deceiving, the other is idiotic and another advertises itself as &#8220;get rid of iTunes&#8221;, the very Apple&#8217;s distribution platform, is not in anyone&#8217;s interest, besides whining bloggers.</p></blockquote>
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The iPhone will do just fine, no one is disputing that. But the iPhone will do well, despite these mistakes, not because of them.<br />
</p>
<blockquote><p>If it were about greed, wouldn&#8217;t it make more sense to let that stupid &#8220;I am Rich&#8221; application to be distributed? After all, Apple is getting a 30% from it. Then, it&#8217;s not about greed.</p></blockquote>
<p>
That application was hardly an application and that was grounds enough to pull it from the app store. If you add in the fact that many people complained about purchasing it by mistake, you realized that it was more trouble than it was worth. And that&#8217;s why, in my opnion, it was pulled.<br />
</p>
<blockquote><p>No, I don&#8217;t think you give a damn about Apple&#8217;s business. Don&#8217;t pretend to do so.</p></blockquote>
<p>
Meh. I care about technology, the IT market, a potentially innovative platform and so on. I&#8217;m not an Apple shareholder and I don&#8217;t have sympathy or distain for the company. I love some of their products but I&#8217;m still free to comment when they make mistakes. This goes for them or any other company.<br />
</p>
<blockquote><p>Oh, so you thought that Apple&#8217;s investment in creating a platform (the OS, the device, the distribution system, the marketing, the development tools &#8230;) was done especially for you, or any developer, to  exercise your freedom? Wow&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>
Nope, you completely misunderstood what I said. I said that many developers would opt for an open platform rather than the iPhone, because of Apple&#8217;s policy. And this is self-evident if you look at how many people admitted that they are going to develop for Andorid but not for the iPhone, because of this.<br />
<br />
And let me make this clear to you Gerardo, this has nothing to do with whining. It was an analysis that you may disagree with. But that&#8217;s all. There is no reason to veer into the territory of personal attacks and insinuations. In every comment on this blog you come across as hostile. If that&#8217;s the kind of communication that you like to have with people, please astain from commenting, because you are the one who comes across as sounding bitter and like you have a hidden agenda.</p>
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