Comments on: On Ruby and Rails Criticism http://programmingzen.com/2007/06/19/on-ruby-and-rails-criticism/ Meditations on programming, startups, and technology Thu, 10 May 2012 04:53:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Ruby on Rails http://programmingzen.com/2007/06/19/on-ruby-and-rails-criticism/#comment-4123 Ruby on Rails Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:01:45 +0000 http://72.52.169.158/~antonioc/2007/06/19/on-ruby-and-rails-criticism/#comment-4123 [...] slower than Haskall, slower than Python, slower than PHP, slower than Perl. Even proponents of it admit that Ruby is slow. In order to get around the slowness, people have to use FastCGI, or [...] [...] slower than Haskall, slower than Python, slower than PHP, slower than Perl. Even proponents of it admit that Ruby is slow. In order to get around the slowness, people have to use FastCGI, or [...]

]]> By: lando.blog http://programmingzen.com/2007/06/19/on-ruby-and-rails-criticism/#comment-4110 lando.blog Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:41:12 +0000 http://72.52.169.158/~antonioc/2007/06/19/on-ruby-and-rails-criticism/#comment-4110 I agree completely with what you say and I have to admit that people should stop complaining about the tools. A good programmer should be able to code in anything and still make the end product good. It is not the language that makes the product it is the years of software engineering skills that the developer has built up. At the end of the day unless it is an official bug stop blaming the tools for the problems. I have recently wrote an article that might be an interesting read to you after having read this (http://www.landoweb.com/2008/07/25/rails-scales-or-does-it/) I agree completely with what you say and I have to admit that people should stop complaining about the tools. A good programmer should be able to code in anything and still make the end product good. It is not the language that makes the product it is the years of software engineering skills that the developer has built up. At the end of the day unless it is an official bug stop blaming the tools for the problems.

I have recently wrote an article that might be an interesting read to you after having read this (http://www.landoweb.com/2008/07/25/rails-scales-or-does-it/)

]]> By: Scaling Rails for Large Applications | lando.blog http://programmingzen.com/2007/06/19/on-ruby-and-rails-criticism/#comment-4109 Scaling Rails for Large Applications | lando.blog Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:36:09 +0000 http://72.52.169.158/~antonioc/2007/06/19/on-ruby-and-rails-criticism/#comment-4109 [...] it’s been out it has managed to get faster with each new version. A very good article is “On Ruby on Rails Criticism” is a very good article and should be read. He has a very good discussion based on how communities [...] [...] it’s been out it has managed to get faster with each new version. A very good article is “On Ruby on Rails Criticism” is a very good article and should be read. He has a very good discussion based on how communities [...]

]]> By: morissen3k8 http://programmingzen.com/2007/06/19/on-ruby-and-rails-criticism/#comment-3499 morissen3k8 Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:39:17 +0000 http://72.52.169.158/~antonioc/2007/06/19/on-ruby-and-rails-criticism/#comment-3499 Can't the Ruby interpreter be optimized to increase speed? JAVA in the early days was also slow but was improved upon and subsequent revisions have optimized it to a point where it isn't slow. So in other words, can't the Ruby interpreter be rewritten for greater speed just like we have so many versions of X86 with faster processors each generation? Can’t the Ruby interpreter be optimized to increase speed? JAVA in the early days was also slow but was improved upon and subsequent revisions have optimized it to a point where it isn’t slow. So in other words, can’t the Ruby interpreter be rewritten for greater speed just like we have so many versions of X86 with faster processors each generation?

]]> By: miguel http://programmingzen.com/2007/06/19/on-ruby-and-rails-criticism/#comment-3497 miguel Wed, 23 Apr 2008 20:30:01 +0000 http://72.52.169.158/~antonioc/2007/06/19/on-ruby-and-rails-criticism/#comment-3497 Scalability is simply damn hard to achieve. I don't think the interpreter is the problem. It think the problem lies in Rails. Rails was designed to take away the sweat from programming. Easy, fast. At the cost of what? (anybody here believes in free lunch?) My favourite metaphor: rails is like trying to race formula1 with a nice automatic Cadillac, you will have a good time, but loose the fun when you get overturned. Don’t get me wrong: nothing against Rails - for small, quick things, no better way to make customers happy. Enter real hard life, where 600 requests per second was your pride of yesterday, you suddenly need to understand how Rails has been solving (hiding) problems for you and simply find better solutions. Scalability is simply damn hard to achieve.

I don’t think the interpreter is the problem. It think the problem lies in Rails. Rails was designed to take away the sweat from programming. Easy, fast. At the cost of what? (anybody here believes in free lunch?) My favourite metaphor: rails is like trying to race formula1 with a nice automatic Cadillac, you will have a good time, but loose the fun when you get overturned.

Don’t get me wrong: nothing against Rails – for small, quick things, no better way to make customers happy. Enter real hard life, where 600 requests per second was your pride of yesterday, you suddenly need to understand how Rails has been solving (hiding) problems for you and simply find better solutions.

]]> By: Lawrence Oluyede http://programmingzen.com/2007/06/19/on-ruby-and-rails-criticism/#comment-377 Lawrence Oluyede Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://72.52.169.158/~antonioc/2007/06/19/on-ruby-and-rails-criticism/#comment-377 great post :-) great post :-)

]]> By: Vinni Pyx http://programmingzen.com/2007/06/19/on-ruby-and-rails-criticism/#comment-378 Vinni Pyx Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://72.52.169.158/~antonioc/2007/06/19/on-ruby-and-rails-criticism/#comment-378 good post, but I really doubt that you've a deep knowledge/understanding about things like communism, fascism and democracy... Take a look at: <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism'>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism</a> <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism'>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism</a> good post, but I really doubt that you’ve a deep knowledge/understanding about things like communism, fascism and democracy… Take a look at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

]]> By: Antonio Cangiano http://programmingzen.com/2007/06/19/on-ruby-and-rails-criticism/#comment-379 Antonio Cangiano Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://72.52.169.158/~antonioc/2007/06/19/on-ruby-and-rails-criticism/#comment-379 Hi Vinni, I've actually studied the subject matter quite a bit and read many books about both communism, fascism and related historical literature. I believe I have a fair understanding of it but my post was not meant to be an in-depth analysis of democracy. Thanks for your comment, Antonio Hi Vinni, I’ve actually studied the subject matter quite a bit and read many books about both communism, fascism and related historical literature. I believe I have a fair understanding of it but my post was not meant to be an in-depth analysis of democracy.

Thanks for your comment,
Antonio

]]> By: kahfei http://programmingzen.com/2007/06/19/on-ruby-and-rails-criticism/#comment-380 kahfei Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://72.52.169.158/~antonioc/2007/06/19/on-ruby-and-rails-criticism/#comment-380 Great post, Antonio. I totally agree with you there, especially after all the negativity generated towards Ruby and Rails from the Twitter incident. Be passionate, yes. But I think to be religiously attached to any programming language/framework, is always dangerous. Programming language is just tools. Like real languages, you can't really say that English is better than Japanese or French is better than Deutsch. They are just, different . Great post, Antonio.
I totally agree with you there, especially after all the negativity generated towards Ruby and Rails from the Twitter incident.
Be passionate, yes. But I think to be religiously attached to any programming language/framework, is always dangerous. Programming language is just tools. Like real languages, you can’t really say that English is better than Japanese or French is better than Deutsch. They are just, different .

]]> By: RR http://programmingzen.com/2007/06/19/on-ruby-and-rails-criticism/#comment-381 RR Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://72.52.169.158/~antonioc/2007/06/19/on-ruby-and-rails-criticism/#comment-381 Excellent post. I agree with everything you've stated: so let's take the criticism and move ahead in addressing areas of weakness and grow the language (or Rails, or frame-work-of-your-choice) to improve upon known criticisms. Indeed the very principle of community driven development is to work together for some agreed-upon harmonious purpose. Negative feedback is once mechanism of encouraging challenges for positive growth. Excellent post. I agree with everything you’ve stated: so let’s take the criticism and move ahead in addressing areas of weakness and grow the language (or Rails, or frame-work-of-your-choice) to improve upon known criticisms. Indeed the very principle of community driven development is to work together for some agreed-upon harmonious purpose. Negative feedback is once mechanism of encouraging challenges for positive growth.

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